Rumour: Maruti Suzuki evaluating Z12-based 3-Cylinder 1.2L turbo petrol

Maruti Suzuki moving connected Z12-based 3-cylinder 1.2L turbo petrol to regenerate 1.5L petrol engine.

The turbo petrol mentation of this caller motor volition yet regenerate the 1.5L mean petrol and the existent 1.0L turbo petrol successful the Maruti portfolio.

This caller 1.2L turbo petrol motor volition assistance them prevention astir Rs. 1.5 lakh connected the Brezza arsenic the car volition past beryllium successful the little taxation bracket. Even if immoderate of this goes towards turbocharging the car, they tin inactive expect to pouch astir Rs. 1.0 lakh per car successful taxation savings alone. Moreover, the smaller turbo petrol motor volition besides bring worldly outgo savings arsenic it’ll necessitate little metallic for motor casing and less parts (3-cylinder)

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Also expect Maruti Suzuki to connection this caller motor with a 6-speed manual transmission. This volition marque this caller powertrain much future-proof than if they extremity up offering it with a 5-speed manual. It’s surely imaginable for them to connection a 6-speed manual aboriginal but that volition adhd to their R&D costs. Testing the motor with 2 antithetic manual transmissions is people much costly than investigating it with conscionable 1.

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Wait WHAT !!!!

Why not conscionable adhd a cylinder to the Z12? It is lone the Brezza. What astir Ertiga, Ciaz(?), Grand Vitara and the upcoming 3 enactment mentation of Grand Vitara?

6 velocity manual tranmission? Been proceeding that from Maruti for much than fractional a decennary now.

Psstt... it is Maruti. Don't adjacent imagination of having the Z12 turbo successful the Swift.

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Originally Posted by DicKy

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6 velocity manual tranmission? Been proceeding that from Maruti for much than fractional a decennary now.
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Could beryllium adjacent the 8 AT successful immoderate of their cars.

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Skoda-VW hopes that different automakers similar Maruti-Suzuki and MG Motor India, which presently besides usage the AQ250 gearbox, volition each upgrade to the AQ300 portion to marque a concern lawsuit for section accumulation of the caller 8-speed unit.

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Originally Posted by DicKy

Wait WHAT !!!!

Why not conscionable adhd a cylinder to the Z12? It is lone the Brezza. What astir Ertiga, Ciaz(?), Grand Vitara and the upcoming 3 enactment mentation of Grand Vitara?

6 velocity manual tranmission? Been proceeding that from Maruti for much than fractional a decennary now.

Psstt... it is Maruti. Don't adjacent imagination of having the Z12 turbo successful the Swift.

This is the aforesaid crushed wherefore Japanese automakers had an vantage implicit occidental manufacturers successful reliability issues. Western companies extracted much powerfulness from smaller engines wherever arsenic the Japanese did the other by getting little powerfulness from higher displacement powertrains. That is were reliability deed them hard earning a tag from the antagonistic side.

Now with unit from the authorities broadside with Cafe norms, they are forced to spell the hard way. Now they volition person to extract much powerfulness from smaller engines. Now Vitara, Ertiga, etc person to athletics smaller engines for the supra reasons.

Interesting valuation and it's not a atrocious 1 astatine that. However, I'd overmuch alternatively that they developed an all-new 1.5L petrol (which they could turbocharge too) for the larger cars astatine least, particularly the Grand Vitara and XL6 (maybe Jimny too?). The K15C is stuck successful the chromatic age, and it needs a replacement - but whether that replacement should travel successful the signifier of this speculated 1.2L turbocharged Z12, I'm don't deliberation so.

What intrigues maine is that they are readying to axe the 1.0L turbo-petrol too. If that's the case, however volition its improvement costs beryllium justified? Experts, delight shed light. If it is so going to beryllium axed, it would beryllium 1 of Maruti's shortest lived engines ever, the different 1 being their 1.5L diesel .

In my humble opinion, a 1.2L 3-cyl turbo-petrol motor cannot regenerate the 1.5 NA motor AND 1.0L turbo-petrol - some engines person a antithetic usage cases IMO. Ideally:
- 1.5L K15C should beryllium replaced by an all-new motor of the aforesaid displacement (let's sanction it the Z15C - manifestation!)
- 1.2L turbocharged Z12 whitethorn regenerate the 1.0L turbo; may being the cardinal word.

Then again, arsenic @DicKy said, we tin imagination connected since we're talking astir Maruti .

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Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

This is the aforesaid crushed wherefore Japanese automakers had an vantage implicit occidental manufacturers successful reliability issues. Western companies extracted much powerfulness from smaller engines wherever arsenic the Japanese did the other by getting little powerfulness from higher displacement powertrains. That is were reliability deed them hard earning a tag from the antagonistic side.

IMHO this veers towards myth. In India we person mostly seen the highly understressed diesel engines successful the Qualis, Innova, Fortuner and the commuter spec engines successful the hatchbacks/sedans. But the Japs ever had buzzy engines that were precocious strung, yet didn't interruption down. Ofcourse, astatine the extremity of the time understressed engines volition ever beryllium reliable and person agelong life, but successful nary mode are the Japanese cars reliable conscionable 'cos of understressed engines.

American cars earlier MPFI utilized to beryllium severely understressed, particularly aft the CAFE norms arsenic a effect of the lipid crisis. Think astir an 8000cc motor making little than 150bhp. But astatine the aforesaid clip Japanese cars of that epoch would beryllium screaming adjacent redline astatine emblematic highways speeds with their smaller engines and abbreviated cogwheel ratios. Guess which 1 was much reliable, portion besides being substance efficient. Turbocharging and GDI was besides utilized for wide accumulation by the Japs, not the advanced Western companies.

In India, Western companies are much towards the premium conception and they extremity up introducing precocious tech petrols, since they request to arsenic their erstwhile stronghold diesels are endangered now. While the Japanese companies are much towards the affordable broadside and needed to person much cheaper options.

In lawsuit of the caller motor failures successful US marketplace Toyotas it is much of prime dip crossed the committee than them abruptly getting overwhelmed with overstressed engines oregon turbos and electronics.

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Originally Posted by CentreOfGravity

What intrigues maine is that they are readying to axe the 1.0L turbo-petrol too....If it is so going to beryllium axed, it would beryllium 1 of Maruti's shortest lived engines ever...

The 1.0L BoosterJet has been successful accumulation since sometime astir 2015. It debuted successful India arsenic a afloat imported motor successful the Baleno RS past went distant for a portion and present it's backmost successful the Fronx. It's been connected merchantability successful Europe each this time.

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This turbo Z12 is down connected displacement erstwhile compared to the K15 but it'd assistance MSIL successful streamlining motor productions. Products similar the Brezza and Jimny tin suffice for sub4m taxation benefits if it wasn't for the K15.

A turbo Z12 Swift could beryllium the closest we would ever get to a Swift Sport.

This means that the Z12 successful its varied formats whitethorn beryllium the sole motor for Marutis successful the aboriginal (barring Jimny).

My guess:

Z12 NA motor (Smart Hybrid oregon non-Hybrid) for smaller-cheaper models similar Alto, Eeco, Celerio, WR, Ignis and S-Presso (if they survive), Swift, Baleno, Fronx, DZire little variants
Z12 Series Hybrid for the smaller-costlier models similar Fronx, Baleno etc
Z12 Turbo to regenerate the K15C successful cars similar Brezza, GV, Ertiga, XL6, Ciaz (if it survives)

Jimny? It whitethorn inactive usage the simpler K15B NA, a four-cylinder Z15 oregon volition beryllium discontinued completely?

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BHPian Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 460 Thanked: 1,332 Times	Re: Rumour: Maruti Suzuki evaluating Z12-based 3-Cylinder 1.2L turbo petrol Quote: Originally Posted by DicKy Wait WHAT !!!! Why not conscionable adhd a cylinder to the Z12? It is lone the Brezza. What astir Ertiga, Ciaz(?), Grand Vitara and the upcoming 3 enactment mentation of Grand Vitara? 6 velocity manual tranmission? Been proceeding that from Maruti for much than fractional a decennary now. Psstt... it is Maruti. Don't adjacent imagination of having the Z12 turbo successful the Swift. This is the aforesaid crushed wherefore Japanese automakers had an vantage implicit occidental manufacturers successful reliability issues. Western companies extracted much powerfulness from smaller engines wherever arsenic the Japanese did the other by getting little powerfulness from higher displacement powertrains. That is were reliability deed them hard earning a tag from the antagonistic side. Now with unit from the authorities broadside with Cafe norms, they are forced to spell the hard way. Now they volition person to extract much powerfulness from smaller engines. Now Vitara, Ertiga, etc person to athletics smaller engines for the supra reasons.

Rumour: Maruti Suzuki evaluating Z12-based 3-Cylinder 1.2L turbo petrol

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