Is it the end of the road for JLR's D8 platform?

Tata motors proudly brought the D8 level from JLR that Discovery was based connected for the adjacent gen SUVs that are present launched arsenic Harrier and Safari.

Both these cars are doing good. But what next? Tata motors had announced that determination would beryllium much variations of the level that rotation retired a sedan, a coupe oregon an MPV.

But it seems Tata has mislaid overmuch absorption connected much products but to get a 1.5L petrol powertrain and an EV retired of the platform. The existent and lone Fiat derived powertrain 2.0L Kryotech motor is the existent sole engine. This motor is intelligibly unrefined, underpowered and outdated successful today's terms. Fiat seemed to person asked a weaponry to retune the motor with hike successful torque oregon alternatively asked to take the 2.2L motor alternatively which volition instrumentality the costs disconnected the roof. Fiat (or Stellantis) reportedly stopped moving further connected diesel engines and are readying to get successful Hybrids for adjacent gen SUVs. Tata are intelligibly caught disconnected defender arsenic they did not put successful their ain engines and alternatively banked connected European spouse who ft an costly engineering bills that are not feasible for Tata.

Tata's further plans are lone connected ALFARC level connected which the ICE Sierra volition besides beryllium based and the EVs that volition beryllium based connected Acti.ev and JLR's EMA architecture for the Avinya brand. As of now, nary caller car seems to beryllium planned that is based connected the D8 arsenic it requires a larger, 1.6-2.0L petrol powertrain oregon Hybrids that that TATAs deficiency oregon not funny successful developing. They person besides haulted the turbocharged variants of the 2.2 varicor motor that conscionable turned reliable with Hexa.

So this seems to beryllium the extremity of JLR D8 platform.

Perhaps the reply for aboriginal powertrain options travel from JLR arsenic well.

Considering the localisation thrust for the JLR enactment up precocious announced, which volition see assembling the Ingenium engines successful India (confirmed by Rory O'Murchu JLR's Product Line Director successful his Autocar interview) this year. 5 years ago, this mightiness person been farfetched, but present it makes sense. Mahindra person truly raised the barroom for powertrains successful the conception and Tata could truly bash with the Ingenium's specs. Perhaps reserve the apical authorities of tune for the JLR's India enactment up and reserve the little ones for Tata.

This besides resolves the biggest spread successful its powertrain enactment up, Petrol engines. The existent income of Harrier and Safari are diesel only, a information that's often overlooked erstwhile discussing income volumes.

Ingenium household has a broad line-up of 3 & 4cyl engines:

PETROL - AJ150 & AJ200
Inline 3: 1.5 L
- 260 Nm, 160 Ps

Inline 4: 2.0 L
- 320 Nm, 200 Ps
- 365 Nm, 250 Ps
- 400 Nm, 300 Ps

DIESEL - AJ200D
Inline 4: 2.0 L
- 380 Nm, 163 Ps
- 430 Nm, 180 Ps
- 430 Nm, 200 Ps
- 500 Nm, 240 Ps

The volumes volition assistance JLR's India operations and support the wealth travel in-house than paying Fiat for it's archaic units. The Ingenium engines person been astir for sometime, and aft resolving it's erstwhile teething issues, these are proven units now. Instead of the costly Aisin oregon ZF automatics JLRs use, proceed with the localised Hyundai autos.

This makes amended consciousness than Tata walk clip and resources connected it's ain abstracted enactment up of engines for it's bigger cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortbread

Perhaps the reply for aboriginal powertrain options travel from JLR arsenic well.

Considering the localisation thrust for the JLR enactment up precocious announced, which volition see assembling the Ingenium engines successful India (confirmed by Rory O'Murchu JLR's Product Line Director successful his Autocar interview) this year. Tata could truly bash with the Ingenium's specs. Perhaps reserve the apical authorities of tune for the JLR's India enactment up and reserve the little ones for Tata.

This is not imaginable arsenic JLR has embedded the Ingenium motor with analyzable exertion that is precise costly and is hard for Tata to usage it for usage successful debased outgo cars. Maybe the precocious powerfulness and torque has warranted costly alloy and different tech.

Autocar India podcast specifically discussed this issue.

Autocar India Podcast -Engines

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

This is not imaginable arsenic JLR has embedded the Ingenium motor with analyzable technology?

Meaning what exactly?

All ICE engines presently person analyzable exertion and much truthful going guardant particularly arsenic emanation norms get stricter. The petrol engines Tata are moving connected are analyzable capable arsenic it is, airy value aluminium block, precocious unit Direct Injection, Dual Cam phasing, adaptable Oil pump, Water cooled adaptable geometry Turbocharger, Exhaust aft attraction etc..etc..

The Ingenium engines are transversely packaged successful JLR cars conscionable similar Tata, and volition mostly person akin mounts arsenic the the JLR PTA level and Tata's Omega Arc were some derived primitively from the Land Rover D8 platform.

Importing these afloat built engines volition beryllium prohibitively expensive, but if JLR are assembling these successful India with accrued localisation arsenic they person mentioned, past it's a antithetic shot crippled altogether. Plus Tata indispensable beryllium already paying a premium for the Fiat engines, portion JLR is an in-house subsidiary.

17th June 2024, 17:15	#1
BHPian Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 283 Thanked: 771 Times	Is it the extremity of the roadworthy for JLR's D8 platform? Tata motors proudly brought the D8 level from JLR that Discovery was based connected for the adjacent gen SUVs that are present launched arsenic Harrier and Safari. Both these cars are doing good. But what next? Tata motors had announced that determination would beryllium much variations of the level that rotation retired a sedan, a coupe oregon an MPV. But it seems Tata has mislaid overmuch absorption connected much products but to get a 1.5L petrol powertrain and an EV retired of the platform. The existent and lone Fiat derived powertrain 2.0L Kryotech motor is the existent sole engine. This motor is intelligibly unrefined, underpowered and outdated successful today's terms. Fiat seemed to person asked a weaponry to retune the motor with hike successful torque oregon alternatively asked to take the 2.2L motor alternatively which volition instrumentality the costs disconnected the roof. Fiat (or Stellantis) reportedly stopped moving further connected diesel engines and are readying to get successful Hybrids for adjacent gen SUVs. Tata are intelligibly caught disconnected defender arsenic they did not put successful their ain engines and alternatively banked connected European spouse who ft an costly engineering bills that are not feasible for Tata. Tata's further plans are lone connected ALFARC level connected which the ICE Sierra volition besides beryllium based and the EVs that volition beryllium based connected Acti.ev and JLR's EMA architecture for the Avinya brand. As of now, nary caller car seems to beryllium planned that is based connected the D8 arsenic it requires a larger, 1.6-2.0L petrol powertrain oregon Hybrids that that TATAs deficiency oregon not funny successful developing. They person besides haulted the turbocharged variants of the 2.2 varicor motor that conscionable turned reliable with Hexa. So this seems to beryllium the extremity of JLR D8 platform.
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17th June 2024, 18:17	#2
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,441 Thanked: 6,501 Times	re: Is it the extremity of the roadworthy for JLR's D8 platform? Perhaps the reply for aboriginal powertrain options travel from JLR arsenic well. Considering the localisation thrust for the JLR enactment up precocious announced, which volition see assembling the Ingenium engines successful India (confirmed by Rory O'Murchu JLR's Product Line Director successful his Autocar interview) this year. 5 years ago, this mightiness person been farfetched, but present it makes sense. Mahindra person truly raised the barroom for powertrains successful the conception and Tata could truly bash with the Ingenium's specs. Perhaps reserve the apical authorities of tune for the JLR's India enactment up and reserve the little ones for Tata. This besides resolves the biggest spread successful its powertrain enactment up, Petrol engines. The existent income of Harrier and Safari are diesel only, a information that's often overlooked erstwhile discussing income volumes. Ingenium household has a broad line-up of 3 & 4cyl engines: PETROL - AJ150 & AJ200 Inline 3: 1.5 L - 260 Nm, 160 Ps Inline 4: 2.0 L - 320 Nm, 200 Ps - 365 Nm, 250 Ps - 400 Nm, 300 Ps DIESEL - AJ200D Inline 4: 2.0 L - 380 Nm, 163 Ps - 430 Nm, 180 Ps - 430 Nm, 200 Ps - 500 Nm, 240 Ps The volumes volition assistance JLR's India operations and support the wealth travel in-house than paying Fiat for it's archaic units. The Ingenium engines person been astir for sometime, and aft resolving it's erstwhile teething issues, these are proven units now. Instead of the costly Aisin oregon ZF automatics JLRs use, proceed with the localised Hyundai autos. This makes amended consciousness than Tata walk clip and resources connected it's ain abstracted enactment up of engines for it's bigger cars.

17th June 2024, 21:50	#4
Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,441 Thanked: 6,501 Times	Re: Is it the extremity of the roadworthy for JLR's D8 platform? Quote: Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY This is not imaginable arsenic JLR has embedded the Ingenium motor with analyzable technology? Meaning what exactly? All ICE engines presently person analyzable exertion and much truthful going guardant particularly arsenic emanation norms get stricter. The petrol engines Tata are moving connected are analyzable capable arsenic it is, airy value aluminium block, precocious unit Direct Injection, Dual Cam phasing, adaptable Oil pump, Water cooled adaptable geometry Turbocharger, Exhaust aft attraction etc..etc.. The Ingenium engines are transversely packaged successful JLR cars conscionable similar Tata, and volition mostly person akin mounts arsenic the the JLR PTA level and Tata's Omega Arc were some derived primitively from the Land Rover D8 platform. Importing these afloat built engines volition beryllium prohibitively expensive, but if JLR are assembling these successful India with accrued localisation arsenic they person mentioned, past it's a antithetic shot crippled altogether. Plus Tata indispensable beryllium already paying a premium for the Fiat engines, portion JLR is an in-house subsidiary.

Is it the end of the road for JLR's D8 platform?

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