BNCAP: Citroen Basalt scores 4 stars

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The Bharat New Car Assessment Programme (BNCAP) has awarded the Citroen Basalt a 4 prima for some big and kid safety. The clang trial effect is applicable for each variants.

The car which was clang tested had the pursuing information features:

- 6 airbags
- Front spot load limiter
- ISOFIX kid seats
- Electronic stableness power (ESC)
- Seat loop reminder for each seats

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It is interesting, if the dummy readings and modifier exertion for this trial are to beryllium trusted, this is simply a 4-star GNCAP car excessively but it's not arsenic straightforward arsenic you would think.

(+) In BNCAP, the Basalt is little than 1 constituent shy of a 5-star rating. With GNCAP it would get 1 oregon 2 much points for seatbelt reminders and transverse implicit to the 5-star portion (27+ pts).

(-) BUT BNCAP does not instrumentality distant a prima for >5.6 quality successful beforehand and broadside scores if the frontal people is supra 8.2 points, GNCAP does. So the Basalt would spell backmost down to 4 stars.

I americium a small miffed with BNCAP being truthful mechanical and not providing insightful comments astir whether the colours are caused by dummy readings oregon modifiers. My hunch is that the rider compartment has go unstable but it is not that straightforward if it is simply a emblematic European triple-loadpath plan (I don't cognize if it is). That said the operation of yellowish feet, orangish thorax and disqualification from kneemapping are 99% an indicator that structural penalties person been applied.

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Car scoring 4 stars is fine, but what is BNCAP upto? I mean, releasing results of mostly irrelevant cars? GNCAP utilized to mostly trial fashionable models which would someway beryllium to beryllium utile for a buyer. What bully does it bash successful investigating a somewhat irrelevant car? Maybe immoderate selling prowess.

Wake up BNCAP, determination are respective different cars which the consumers are waiting for to beryllium tested. Wish determination was a mandatory investigating benignant of a happening for each exemplary earlier it is launched.

Edit: I spot this is applicable lone for prime models. This is not however it should beryllium done. In that case, either trial lone the basal exemplary oregon trial some basal exemplary and apical model. This volition springiness a clearer perspective. Testing lone apical model, releasing its results and past putting a tiny item of "applicable for prime models only" is precise misleading.

Edit: The information expanse shows the models that this standing is applicable to, and I americium assuming it has each variants implicit there. Why make truthful overmuch disorder for a elemental thing

Edit: Where tin I find the bodyshell integrity? The stable/unstable comment?

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GNCAP's caput wide seems to think, according to the interrogation below, that Maruti are making six airbags modular connected their caller procreation of models successful India (maybe Maruti are waiting until that for BNCAP?). He has besides mentioned the caller Swift successful 2 interviews this twelvemonth which makes maine deliberation GNCAP mightiness beryllium investigating it arsenic well.

Watch this interrogation astatine 13:10 with translated subtitles: Are cars sold successful Chile safe? - Interview with Alejandro Furas, from Latin NCAP

I would similar to disagree present arsenic IMO BNCAP does this amended than GNCAP, who bash precisely the aforesaid happening but don't adjacent notation that the standing is for prime variants only.

Eg. if the Scorpio N had nary ESC oregon broadside airbags crossed the range, similar the basal variant, the full exemplary would person scored 2 stars, but the full exemplary (even the basal variant *officially*) has 5 stars due to the fact that ESC is simply a standalone enactment and curtain airbags are fitted to >30% units of Scorpio-N produced overall. This means a standing for a variant tin beryllium hugely babelike connected information instrumentality that is not adjacent fitted to it.

GNCAP's reasoning is that it encourages manufacturers to plan their cars to person these features but requiring them modular would person made them springiness up connected 5 stars. But it is simply a small exasperating that a user investigating programme thinks its assemblage is the manufacture and not consumers. It is simply a communal occupation with NCAPs implicit clip wherever aft seeing their enactment thrust advancement they thin to chopped retired the middleman (the consumer) but arsenic agelong arsenic they recognise the hazards and make an progressive effort to spot it, it works. GNCAP bash not look to be.

BNCAP arsenic we cognize copy-pasted GNCAP's protocols and present are successful a half-hearted effort to spot this. While it is bully they are astatine slightest bothering to notation that it is valid lone for a fewer variants, that means that erstwhile basal variants disagree from the apical the basal volition astir ne'er transportation a valid rating. As you mentioned it would person been overmuch simpler to person a dual standing strategy similar Euro NCAP.

It seems property releases and comments are not BNCAP's forte. This is precise atrocious arsenic moving backwards to cipher the dummy values from the colours is hard capable arsenic it is erstwhile the modifiers are known — without comments it is highly nondeterministic.

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4 prima for a car with specified severely distorted A pillar. Looks similar atrocious commencement for Bharat NCAP, does not look to beryllium a bureau worthy trusting for thing important arsenic car safety. Gncap besides mislaid spot aft rewarding 5 prima to 'unstable' Verna.

"News is what idiosyncratic determination wants to suppress; each the remainder is advertising" - Lord Northcliffe

These clang trial agencies are turning into the selling agencies of secondary information features which trust connected electronics alternatively of ensuring the astir important aspects of the information is kept successful cheque which is bodyshell of a vehicle.

Now its wide that the Bharat NCAP is simply a effect of car manufacturers lobby successful India who privation to support selling the dumped and rejected garbage to Indians who bash not person immoderate worth of their beingness for them.

First they made laws to snatch our cars prematurely, present this. Unfortunately we don't person thing successful this state to support the interests of public, particularly the car owners.

Abraham Lincoin erstwhile said - "Democracy is simply a authorities of the people, by the radical and for the people". This is not applicable successful our country, it seems to beryllium aristocracy.

Disappointed.

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How person they released the ratings of a car tested successful August, but haven't released results of cars tested and released agelong ago? Also wherever are the comments connected assemblage operation integrity? It seems bncap is compromised and astir apt taking footwear backs from manufacturers to power erstwhile the results are published.

We'd seen Nissan Magnite facelift successful the bncap images a portion ago. And those results aren't retired yet. So I'm guessing they'll merchandise them erstwhile Nissan pays them something? Or astatine an opportune clip arsenic stipulated by manufacturer.

Can't truly enactment immoderate spot connected these ratings anymore. Perhaps euro ncap and asean ncap are the lone ones that are a small transparent.

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It was an interior Nissan improvement trial commissioned astatine the ARAI installation connected an export-spec LHD car and thing to bash with BNCAP. Source.

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Is it conscionable me, who finds it much confusing to really marque consciousness of the prima ratings nowadays?
As a car buyer, I request to correlate the fig of stars awarded to the capableness of the car (read carnal strength) to support maine and my chap occupants harmless if and erstwhile we crash.
Why does it substance to maine if the pedestrian I accidentally knock, is little wounded owed to the passive features disposable for them. Or the deficiency of, truthful knocking a fewer points disconnected the people and frankincense a star? At the end, it inactive whitethorn beryllium a beardown car for maine arsenic the proprietor and truthful the stars should notify maine of that!

There are acold excessively galore criteria now, and I judge euro ncap would grant zero stars to the conflict vessel we each cognize arsenic Mercedes Benz W201, due to the fact that it doesn't person gizmos and it's radars, whilst being an incredibly harmless car to beryllium within!

Major clarifications and clarities are needed from these guardians of the investigating protocols

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@ron178 does Basalt travel with Seat Belt Pretensioners ? Kinda amazed with driver/front pasenger extortion successful Orange color. If I callback correctly, e-C3 could person managed atleast 3 stars if it had physics information immunodeficiency and spot loop pretensioners.

To @Citroen India, bully occupation and delight proceed to amended your products and work based connected marketplace feedback. Hope to spot much Basalts connected the roads soon.

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Maybe that's the quality needed for the idiosyncratic you "accidentally" sound down to unrecorded to spot the airy for different time and besides for the Enforcement authorities to "not" slap manslaughter charges .

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You oregon your household members don?t locomotion right?

I ever counsel my drivers and others I question with (when not driving) to beryllium cautious of pedestrians and smaller vehicles. Unfortunately, astir drivers volition either propulsion cyclists oregon two-wheelers disconnected the roadworthy oregon honk aggressively to inquire mode (depending connected the situation), and nary of them ain a car.

How anyone changes truthful fast, is beyond me.

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What would you accidental to trucks moving without a clang bar? If I was a motortruck driver, I cognize that a if a mean car oregon suv you and others whitethorn thrust tin rear extremity maine astatine a bully velocity and astir apt thing overmuch would hap to me. Sure, occupants of the car would apt die, but I'm fine, wherefore should I get clang bars installed?
It's a standing for information for quality beings, including wrong and outside. The quality betwixt a dilatory velocity interaction with a pedestrian successful an aged merc and a modern honda could beryllium that the pedestrian is paralyzed for beingness vs gets up with a fewer bruises.

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You marque an fantabulous point, but it is overshadowed by however you enactment it crossed successful provocative/triggering language.

Pedestrian information so sticks retired arsenic the "odd antheral out" due to the fact that remainder of the sub-sections of a car information trial -

- Frontal impact
- Side impact
- Rollover impact
- Rear interaction (whipsaw injury)
- Child safety
- ADAS

are each astir car occupants safety.

If clang investigating agencies privation to promote safer cars for pedestrians, they tin springiness a abstracted rating. But they should not beryllium adding oregon docking points from wide clang information rating.

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I americium not adjacent definite however this thread went connected to sermon pedestrian information arsenic BNCAP does not adjacent see it for applicable purposes. They lone request AIS 100 benignant support which each Indian cars person had since October 2019 anyway.

In GNCAP/BNCAP the “other” information features are qualifiers but seldom adhd points. A car that is 2-star due to the fact that of clang extortion is not going to get immoderate much by adding different information features.

NCAPs bash spell beyond what happens successful the test, but what happens successful the trial is the archetypal happening they usage successful scoring. In the Verna and Basalt tests dummy readings showed debased to constricted hazard of superior wounded and adjacent structural measurements were low. In this peculiar clang scenario, astatine slightest based connected the kinds of injuries assessed, it is rather apt that you would beryllium capable to locomotion away.

Not the lawsuit with the “stable” e-C3 and Alto K10 which really had precocious capable structural measurements little down to bespeak mean to precocious risks of superior wounded to astatine slightest non captious assemblage parts (maybe survivable but apt crippling), if not adjacent dummy readings indicating precocious hazard of superior rib fracture (e-C3).

That is wherefore the punishment for instability is overmuch smaller than that for outright structural intrusion. I could bash a full different station connected grounds that NCAPs bash not see a permanently bent A-pillar arsenic capable for instability.

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I americium truly blessed with the absorption successful which Citroen is progressing successful India, this 4 prima standing should enactment similar changeable successful the limb for them. That excessively its timed well, close earlier festive season.

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